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Exclusive HnB UK review – the QoQ Honor

QoQ Honor

If you’re interested in vaping as well as Heat not Burn you’re probably familiar with the great clone debate. Within days of a new vapour product  appearing, whether it’s the latest must-have atomiser or an expensive custom mod, a dozen Chinese factories are cranking out reproductions at a fraction of the price. Some vapers (and most manufacturers) hate this; others think it’s a great way of giving more people access to the latest and best gear.

Well, so far the HnB industry hasn’t suffered – or benefited, depending on your point of view – from cloning, but for a while last week I did wonder. I’ve just spent a few days testing a brand new device that looks very like one I reviewed a few weeks ago. Is it a clone? Not exactly, as it turns out, but there’s definitely been some inspiration drawn.

My latest harm reduction toy is the Honor from QoQ. Before you start Googling, this device is so new that it isn’t on the market yet (yes, it’s yet another exclusive from the dedicated team at Heat not Burn UK) but it should be available soon. Is it worth buying when it does hit the shops? Well, you’re going to have to read on to find out!

QoQ actually contacted us a couple of months ago to let us know they were going to be displaying the Honor at a trade fair in Dortmund. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to make it down for that, but they kindly sent me an example to review. As I said, this device is as new as it gets, and like the VCOT I looked at last month the retail packaging isn’t ready yet. Obviously I can’t do the unboxing thing if I don’t have the box, so let’s just skip straight to the interesting part – the device itself.

The Review

Once I’d thanked the postman and ripped open the package I found myself holding a very ordinary German carrier bag with a small bundle of newspaper in it. At this point I really started to wonder about cloning, because when I unwrapped the paper my first thought was “They’ve sent me a Lil.”

They hadn’t, of course. Firstly, I noticed that this device is built very differently from the Lil. Secondly it has a nice QoQ logo laser-etched on the front. Finally, the Lil didn’t come in pink the last time I checked. There’s a very strong resemblance between the two, though – much too strong to be a coincidence. It’s very obvious that when QoQ started to work on the Honor they took the Lil as their starting point.

Obviously this isn’t exactly unusual in industry. Equally obviously there are two ways to go about it. You can simply reverse engineer someone else’s product, maybe making just enough tweaks to get around all those pesky patent laws (although Chinese e-cig makers just don’t seem to care). Alternatively you can follow the same basic concept and develop it into a new product. Once I’d played with the Honor for a couple of minutes – poking and prodding it, playing with the moving parts and tapping it on things – it was pretty clear that QoQ had followed the second route. The Honor looks like the Lil’s twin, but there are a lot of differences.

The biggest difference is how it’s built. Both the original Lil and the new Lil Solid have plastic cases, although they feel like there’s metal underneath in the main body. The QoQ Honor is a much more solid device; both the main body and the top cap are solid aluminium. The metalwork is very nicely done, with a deep anodised finish (pink on mine, but there you go) and a good, if not quite perfect, fit between the two parts. The top cap is a very similar design to the Lil’s – so similar, in fact, that I checked if they’re interchangeable (they’re not). It just slips over the heating chamber and has a magnet to stop it sliding off again.

Again like the Lil, there’s a sliding metal button on top that covers the tobacco stick holder, but rather than the Lil’s plastic button – which slides in a stamped metal top plate – this one is nicely machined alloy just like the casing. Under the top cover is the heating chamber, complete with a removable plastic insert that pulls out for cleaning. This insert is interchangeable with both the Lil and Lil Solid, even though they’re not interchangeable with each other. Strange but true. As for sticks, QoQ say the Honor is compatible with all 7.2mm tobacco sticks. Basically that means PMI’s HEETs and KT&G’s Fiit.

The main control on the Honor is the power button on one side of the case. This feels like metal and has a battery status LED set into it, but it’s not quite as solid as I’d like. It’s nicely clicky, but wobbles slightly when I put my thumb on it. Still, it works well enough. On the base of the device is a micro-USB charging port and another button, very small and almost flush with the case. I’ll come back to that in a minute.

Obviously I have nothing to say about the accessories, because my Honor didn’t come with any, but the device itself is well made and very solid. The all-metal body gives it a very high quality feel, and the Lil-style design makes for a unit that’s small and slim enough to hold easily but large enough to contain a decent battery.

Anyway, enough of my rambling about what a nice gadget it is. Let’s see if it works.

Vaping the Honor

My first attempt to use the Honor was, I have to say, a bit of a failure; it wouldn’t power up. I’d topped up the battery, so I knew it wasn’t that (a full charge takes about 90 minutes, by the way), and I tried every possible way of pressing the power button I could think of. I gave it three fast clicks, then five. I held it down until my thumb ached. I jabbed it in frustration and smacked it on the edge of my desk – the case really is pretty sturdy – and finally I called QoQ to say it didn’t work.

So, that little button beside the USB port? It’s the on/off switch. Hold it down for three seconds, until the unit vibrates and the status LED blinks through a brief colour sequence, and you’re ready to get started. Just slide back the top button, push a HEET into the chamber and hold down the power button for three seconds until it vibrates again and the status LED starts to pulse. Then all you have to do is wait until it heats up, which takes around 20 seconds – not spectacularly fast, but not slow either. When it vibrates again and the LED glows steadily, it’s ready to vape. You’re not going to miss the vibration on this device, by the way; it’s powerful and accompanied by a loud buzz.

As for the actual vaping experience, the Honor is impressive. The first eight to ten puffs deliver plenty of vapour; the flavour comes through very well, and the vapour is warm and dense on the standard setting. It does fall off quite sharply after that, though. The first few puffs seem to pretty much dry out the stick, so while vaping quality is nearly as good as iQOS at first, it doesn’t stay that way all through the session. It’s still good, though – very close to the Lil.

Each session with the Honor is set to four minutes and 20 seconds; at the four-minute point it vibrates to let you know time’s nearly up. It will also buzz if you reach 14 puffs before the timer runs out; when that happens you have two more puffs before it switches off. The problem – and several other devices have it too – is that a HEET doesn’t really last for that many puffs. Ten or twelve is about right.

The Honor has two other features worth noting. One is that it has dual temperature modes; to switch between them turn the device off, then click the on/off button three times. The unit will vibrate and the status LED will blink a few times – green for normal mode, or yellow for low temperature. The low temperature mode might suit you if you prefer very mild cigarettes, but I found it a bit anaemic and stuck with the standard temperature.

I’ve looked at a couple of HnB systems with temperature control now, so while this is a bonus it isn’t anything radical. The Honor’s other extra feature is quite radical, though. If you double-click the power button during a vaping session, it puts the device into pause mode. That will halt the heating timer so it doesn’t shut itself down while you’re away. If you’re half way through a HEET and need to answer the door or put the cat out, this is pretty handy. Once you’ve signed for your parcel or pitched the furball out into the rain, just double click again to restart the timer and carry on vaping. QoQ recommend you only pause once during each session, and I’d agree with that; I gave one HEET three one-minute pauses, and the traces of weak vapour it was still producing after the last one tasted pretty awful.

QoQ say the Honor has a 2,400mAh internal battery, which I believe is a standard 18650 cell. That’s smaller than the 2,900mAh boasted by both Lil and iQOS, and this shows up in shorter battery life. According to the product literature I was sent, a single charge is good for 25 sticks. I would say 20 is more realistic. That’s still reasonable; it just doesn’t come close to the new iQOS 2.4 Plus.

Maintenance of the Honor is exactly the same as the LiL. Because it uses a ceramic spike as the heating element, rather than a blade, it helps to give used HEETs a twist before removing them; that reduces the chance of the tobacco being left on the spike. If that does happen just take off the top cap and remove the insert from the chamber. The tobacco will come out with it. There were no cleaning accessories with my Honor (there will be in the retail packaging) so I just used a Lil brush, which worked fine.

Conclusion

Overall the QoQ Honor is an impressive device. With the same handy form factor as Lil, but a higher quality (and absolutely rock solid) case, it’s a great portable option; while it’s a lot bigger than the iQOS holder, it’s less than half the size of the portable charging case. Battery life is decent if nothing special, and the all-important vape is in the upper half of the devices we’ve tested.

My personal preference is still for the iQOS 2.4 Plus, with its compact holder and outstanding battery life, but if you like the style of the Lil this is definitely a good alternative. The case really is nice – by far the nicest, and toughest, I’ve seen yet on a HnB device. Performance is good, and the pause feature is a nice touch that some people will find useful.

So, in conclusion, the Honor from QoQ is a very nice Heat not Burn product with some interesting features and fantastic build quality. If you want to check out a few systems before buying, this one is definitely worth a look!

 

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PMI announce the new IQOS 3

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Philip Morris Korea announce the iQOS 3 and iQOS 3 Multi.

On 23rd October 2018 Philip Morris announced two new devices in the heated tobacco market, called the iQOS 3 and iQOS 3 Multi. The iQOS 3 will replace the iQOS 2.4 Plus and the iQOS Multi looks like a completely new addition to the iQOS family.

Here at Heat Not Burn we are huge fans of both the original iQOS 2.4 and iQOS 2.4 Plus devices so as expected we are really exited by this announcement. What this tells the world is that Philip Morris are constantly innovating in a very dynamic heated tobacco market. It would be very easy for them to sit back for a while on the 2.4 Plus but they have already seen how quickly the likes of KT&G are innovating with their own Lil and Lil Plus heat not burn devices. Also there are rumours of another Lil upgrade coming soon and that means PMI have got to do this simply in order to keep up. Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it.

In terms of how it looks the iQOS 3 looks a lot like the 2.4 Plus but has had some minor tweaks including making the holder charge 40 seconds quicker. The iQOS 3 will also have the holder inserted into the charging unit via the side of the unit, we can’t see it making much difference although it does look very slick how the holder slides in. (fnarr fnarr!)

The iQOS 3 Multi looks to be based on the same design as the Lil, Lil Solid and BAT’s Glo, which means it will be a compact standalone unit with a built in battery and a small slider on the top of the unit to insert the HEET into. You can see what PMI are doing here, they are offering two options for people, either a holder with charger or an all-in-one, this is a very smart move offering the customer a choice between the two.

IQOS 3 CEO Statement

When is it going to be released?

Looks like it is being released into the South Korean market first in mid-November 2018, PMI have done this as that is one of their better performing markets, the South Koreans are absolutely loving heat not burn and will be all over this latest technical marvel.

It will get a European release very soon afterwards, and as soon as we are able to we will also start selling the iQOS 3 right here on this website!

This announcement is perfectly timed because it deflects attention from Philip Morris taking some flak recently for their “hold my light” campaign to convince smokers to switch from traditional smoking over to reduced risk products. They mainly got criticized by public health groups and cancer charities. Yes you read that correctly, Philip Morris are trying to get people to make the switch to a safer product and actually get criticized for it! This is the utterly whacky upside down world we are living in these days.

Expect more details on the iQOS 3 and iQOS 3 Multi on our blog as soon as we get more info on both devices.

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Review – the new iQOS 2.4 Plus

iQOS 2.4 Plus
A box, with my new iQOS in it!

Competition in the Heat not Burn market is beginning to pick up, as you’ll have noticed if you read this site regularly; over the last few months we’ve tested several interesting new devices, from both major tobacco companies and Chinese independents. At the retail level one product is still dominant, however – Philip Morris’s excellent iQOS.

iQOS is pretty widely available now, and it’s the top-selling HnB system around the world by a long way. Technology doesn’t stand still, though, especially for an innovative type of product like this, and some of the devices we’ve been looking at include features that the iQOS has lacked up to now. When competitors are coming out with new ideas (and new products) all over the place, standing still is a great way to wake up one morning and realise you’re not the market leader anymore.

Well, PMI clearly don’t want to be in this position, because for the last week I’ve been playing with a new toy – the iQOS 2.4 Plus. Like the Lil Solid from KT&G I reviewed a few weeks ago this isn’t an entirely new device; it’s an upgrade of the iQOS 2.4 I had already. It is a pretty significant upgrade though, so we thought it deserved another look.

The review

The 2.4 Plus comes in a sturdy and attractive cardboard box. Lifting the top off reveals the usual plastic tray with the two main components resting snugly in their little nests – the portable charging case (PCC), and next to it the actual holder. At first glance these look exactly like my old iQOS 2.4 does, but closer examination soon turned up a few differences. I’ll get back to those though.

Anyway the tray lifts out to reveal a cardboard cover that opens up to give access to the rest of the goodies. The first things you’ll find in there are a warranty card and a very comprehensive, well-illustrated user manual. Under those is a charger and cable, a two-part cleaning brush and a pack of ten cleaning sticks. Along with the three packs of Amber HEETs that came with my starter kit, it’s all you need to get vaping with the new iQOS.

The accessories really are identical to the ones that come with the older version, by the way. Then again, they’re all high quality and do their jobs perfectly. There’s no need for PMI to update them, so they haven’t.

Back to the 2.4 Plus itself, then. As I said, despite initial appearances it isn’t identical to the 2.4. The PCC and holder are pretty much the same, and in fact they’re interchangeable (more on that later), but the vital electronics have been completely overhauled for the new model.

The new PCC is a sleek unit a bit smaller than the average smartphone. It’s a very clean and simple design; there’s a flip-up top at one end, a micro-USB charging port at the other and a row of buttons and LEDs down one side. The top button flips the lid open so you can get at the holder; that and the new Bluetooth button are now finished in a nice gold colour. The third button is less obtrusive; it’s the power button, at the bottom of the row. This lets you power the whole unit down, although I never do this and I’ve never spoken to anyone who does. On the plus side, a quick press on this button will show you the PCC’s charge status.

Between the two gold buttons is a row of five bright white LEDs. The top one, easily recognised because it’s elongated, lights up to show that the holder is charging. The other four show how much charge is left in the PCC, in increments of 25%; they’re illuminated while the holder charges, when the PCC is plugged in or if you press the power button.

Let’s move on to the holder, then. When you press the top button on the PCC, the cap flips open in a satisfyingly positive way (I must admit, I just love the standard of engineering on this device). Under the cap is the holder, nestled snugly in its charging slot. Again it doesn’t look like much has changed, but there’s been a lot of work done on the innards.

The new holder is the same slim, lightweight unit as before, with a single LED-illuminated button (again coloured gold in the new model) to turn it on. It’s small enough to be held like an actual cigarette, and just light enough that I can even work with it balanced unsupported on my lip like an old-time journalist’s unfiltered Woodbine.

I should also mention that Bluetooth button. Pressing this lets you link the PCC to any Android device with a Bluetooth connection, and you can then manage it with the My iQOS app for Android. Unfortunately, so far this app only seems to be available in Switzerland, and the current language options are German and French. I speak pretty good German but I don’t live in Switzerland, so I haven’t been able to test it out so far. However, it should be rolling out more widely in the near future. As soon as it does I’ll download it and let you all know what it does.

Overall the iQOS 2.4 Plus is a familiar package, but a superbly engineered one. Externally it doesn’t look much different from older versions, but a device like this runs on its electronics and that’s where the upgrades have been made. So, what’s it like to use?

Vaping the new iQOS

With my shiny new iQOS fully charged I dug out the holder, plugged in an Amber HEET and held down the smart gold power button. After a couple of seconds the holder vibrated to let me know it was powered up and heating – a nice touch that I’ve seen on other devices, but was missing from iQOS before. At the same time the LED in the button starts to pulse; when it switches from pulsing to a steady glow (just under 20 seconds) you’re ready to vape. It would be nice if it vibrated again to let you know it was warmed up, but the white LED is bright enough to do that job anyway.

The actual experience of vaping the 2.4 Plus is very good. There’s plenty of vapour, it’s nice and warm, and the flavour is excellent. I tested it extensively with both Amber and Bronze HEETs (seven packs in total, if you’re interested) and the performance is just great. Apart from my first experience with mild menthol sticks I’ve always been impressed with the iQOS, and the 2.4 Plus carries on the good work.

It’s also extremely usable. Unlike all the other devices I’ve tested, iQOS relies on the PCC to recharge the holder’s small battery between HEETs. This lets the holder come as close to the experience of holding a cigarette as it’s possible to get, but it does impose a delay between HEETs as you recharge it. This has never been a big problem for me, but PMI seem to have put some work into fixing it anyway. The 2.4 Plus PCC takes just two and a half minutes to fully charge the holder.

I mentioned earlier that the components are interchangeable between the old and new versions, so out of curiosity I vaped one HEET then put the 2.4 Plus holder in the 2.4 PCC to recharge. It worked fine, too – but it took almost four minutes. If you want the new high-speed recharge you need to use the 2.4 Plus components together. On the other hand, if you have an extra holder for your 2.4 the new PCC will top it up while you vape the new one.

A single vaping session on the 2.4 Plus lasts for five and three-quarter minutes or 14 puffs, whichever you get to first. When you have 45 seconds or two puffs left to go the holder vibrates again, to let you know it’s planning to switch itself off and give you the chance to grab some last-minute nicotine.

One thing that I didn’t notice when I first started using an iQOS is that the top cap of the holder slides. A common theme in my reviews has been the annoying way the tobacco plug in a used HEET sometimes stays in the device when you pull out the stick – the VCOT is the worst offender for this. Well, that isn’t a problem at all with the iQOS 2.4 Plus. When you’re finished vaping all you have to do is push the top cap up half an inch on its rails, like the slide of a very small pump-action shotgun, and the HEET will be neatly removed from the blade every time. I put 140 HEETs through this gadget and didn’t have a single problem with them coming apart on removal. Again, it impressed me with how much effort PMI have put into making this a user-friendly device.

Finally, let’s talk about battery life. I don’t know if the PCC’s battery capacity has been increased or if the new electronics handle it more efficiently, but it held out for an impressively long time. My 2.4 is close to fully discharged after one pack of HEETs; the 2.4 Plus, fast recharge and all, managed the best part of two packs. By the time it finally got down to 25% charge remaining there were 42 used HEETs neatly piled up in my ashtray.

The verdict

If you’re familiar with the iQOS already, well, this is an iQOS. You know roughly what to expect. However, it’s the best iQOS yet; the improvements make a real difference to the user experience, especially the fast charge from the new PCC. Even when I’m racing deadlines and getting through HEETs much faster than normal I never find myself impatiently waiting for the holder to recharge. The battery life is impressive, too; even if you’re a heavy user a single charge of the PCC should be enough to easily last you a day, and recharging it takes less than an hour.

Overall, the iQOS 2.4 Plus is a great device. I like several of the others I’ve tried out, but none of them come as close to the experience of smoking as the iQOS does. Part of that is ergonomic; the small, light holder can be handled pretty much like a cigarette, which makes it very easy to adjust. I get on fine with larger devices, but there’s no doubt the iQOS has a big edge in this department. On top of that it also delivers an excellent vape. Heets seem to have become the new standard, but they were designed for iQOS and they work outstandingly well in it.

If you already have an iQOS the new 2.4 Plus is an attractive upgrade, especially if you were thinking about getting another holder. Don’t; get the 2.4 Plus kit instead and take advantage of that super-fast charge. If you don’t already have an iQOS, but you’re looking for a safer alternative to smoking (or something closer to the smoking experience that e-cigs deliver), the best Heat not Burn device on the market just got even better – and you can get one here, along with three packs of HEETs, for just £79.

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Pod Mod review – the new iQOS Mesh

Pod Mod review

A few weeks ago I talked about pod mods, the new generation of ultra-convenient e-cigarettes that are popping up on shelves all over the place. Although we’re mainly interested in Heat not Burn devices here we think pod mods are pretty cool too – they’re much easier to use than conventional e-cigs, which is ideal if you want something that’s as simple as a cigarette. We’re also now selling one, the new iQOS Mesh from PMI, so I thought it would be a good idea if I checked one out to see what it was like. A Mesh was duly ordered, and turned up late last week along with a supply of the VEEV pods it eats.

Before I go any further it’s time for a quick confession. In my previous article on pod mods I said I already had a Mesh. Well, that turned out to be only partly true. Last year I “borrowed” a PMI Mesh from Dick Puddlecote, and at the time I was quite impressed with it. However the new iQOS-branded Mesh is a very different animal. It shares the same design philosophy, but every part of the device and its pods is bang up to date. So, if you’ve read anything about the old Mesh, forget it; the iQOS version is a brand-new product. Let’s have a look at it.

First impressions

The Mesh in its box.

The new Mesh comes in a neat cardboard box; pull the top off and there’s the device itself, nestled in the usual plastic tray. It didn’t take long to start spotting differences. The new Mesh is much longer and slimmer than the old one, and also has a higher quality feel. My old Mesh has a rubberized plastic body, quite short and with a flattened oval cross section; the new one is aluminium except for the plastic end cap, and it’s round. One nice touch is that there’s a flat strip down one side to help stop it rolling away if you lay it on the table. Two-thirds of the body has a nice satin finish; the hollow top end is highly polished.

This is a very simple device. There’s a single power button which turns the Mesh on or off when pressed for three seconds. On the end cap is a micro-USB charging port and an LED indicator that tells you it’s charging. The other end is open; that’s where you plug in the VEEV pod.

Overall the iQOS Mesh feels very solid, but it’s also remarkably light. It’s a much bigger device than a JUUL or MyBlu, roughly the size of a large cigar, but every time I pick it up I’m surprised by how little it weighs. It’s pretty impressive, considering the all-metal body and the fact there’s a 900mAh battery packed away in there.

Apart from the mod itself, there isn’t a huge amount in the box. Lift out the tray and open the cardboard lid underneath, and you’ll find a charging cable and a UK plug adapter for it; that’s all.

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The review

Anyway, I don’t believe in messing about, so after playing with my new toy for not very long I plugged it in and topped up the battery. It was pretty well charged straight out the box, so the next time I looked away from my screen for a minute it was ready to go (a full charge takes about an hour, and it has a passthrough feature, so you can vape while it charges).

Old (left) and new Mesh pods. They both hold 2ml of liquid.

With the battery fully charged I dug out a Tobacco Harmony-flavoured VEEV pod and unwrapped it. These are also very different from the old Mesh pods. For a start, they’re a whole lot smaller. The old pods clipped over the end of the battery, and had a lot of empty space inside; the new ones plug into the hollow cone at the top of the mod, so they can be a lot more compact for a similar liquid capacity (I can’t remember how much the old ones held, but they were TPD-compliant, so no more than 2ml; the new ones contain 2ml of 6mg, 11mg or 18mg liquid). The actual heating element is the same idea, though; instead of a coil it’s a small square of fine wire mesh which seems to double as a wick, so there’s no risk of anything burning. In fact the Mesh is actually a temperature control device; it regulates the power going to the wick to prevent overheating and the dreaded “dry puff”.

To stop liquid moving around inside unused pods and dribbling out the mouthpiece there’s a small rubber seal fitted to each pod. Once you’ve unwrapped the pod all you have to do is pull out the seal and plug the pod into the end of the device. They fit either way up; just don’t use any force to insert it. If it’s not going in just twist it gently until it does.

With a VEEV loaded, all you have to do is press the button for a couple of seconds until it lights up, then take a puff. It’s not a fire button; the Mesh has an automatic switch that heats up when you puff. The button is purely an off/on switch. If you don’t take a puff for three minutes the Mesh will automatically power down again.

As for the actual vaping experience, I was impressed! I’ve read one review that said the vapour production and throat hit were disappointing. Well, all I can say is they must have been doing it wrong, because I get plenty of vapour out of mine. Is the throat hit the same as I get from my usual combo of a Rouleaux RX200 and Limitless RDTA loaded with 24mg liquid? Of course not. Then again you could put the Rouleaux in a sock and beat rhinos to death with it, and it dribbles like a senile dog. The Mesh is slim, light and compact, and it never leaks. At all.

My Mesh came with two flavours – Tobacco Harmony is a rich tobacco blend, and Cool Peppermint; you can probably guess what that one tastes of. Both flavours were excellent; although I never liked menthol cigarettes I really got to like the peppermint, in particular. For the average user a VEEV pod should last about a day, making it roughly equivalent to a pack of cigarettes – and, at £2.99 for a pack of two, a lot cheaper. The battery holds enough charge to get through a whole pod and part of the next one, but I tended to recharge it between pods anyway.

The point to keep in mind is that the Mesh wasn’t designed to replace your favourite mod and dripper. It’s an easy to use, but very effective, device aimed at people who just want a simple alternative to cigarettes. I think it’s ideal for that – and it’s a great choice if you want some thing compact and non-dribbly to take to the pub, as well. In short, it does exactly what a pod mod is supposed to do, and it does it very well.

Verdict

I liked the original Mesh when I tried it last year, and I like the new, improved version even more. PMI have taken a good basic concept and made it even better, producing a very well-made pod mod that’s simple, effective and great value. If you’re looking for an e-cig that just works, with no messing around with refill bottles or coil changes, the iQOS Mesh is an excellent choice.

To see our entire iQOS Mesh and VEEV collection please click here.

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